Meshel, Tim and special guest Marty Sheargold talk with someone who knows a lot about Carl Williams' life.Andrew Rule is the author of Leadbelly - the book that went on to become the series Underbelly.
Meshel asks Rule about his theories on the underworld figure's death.
He reveals what he knows about the seedy life in high security prison.
"They're mad and they're bad," he says.
Listen to the full interview for more.
Meshel, Tim and Marty are also surprised by messages on a Facebook fanpage for Williams.
See the page here.
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